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this statute is really the crown jewel of our civil rights laws. voting is such a fundamental right in this country, and we just saw in the last election a concerted effort by many people around the country. >> exactly. >> to deny millions of people of color. people will watch this. >> and be braced for response. kenji, very quickly on perry. people feel very optism about the defense of marriage act being struck down. less so on perry. >> i'm optimistic. i think it's going to be a narrow california-specific decision. that tees up the final question which is why are the gay rights cases moving in one direction and affirmative action cases moving in the other? >> that is a fascinating question for us to pursue as these decisions come down. elise. kenji from nyu school of law. nan aron. that's "all in" for this evening. "the rachel maddow show" begins right now. >>> thank you for joining us thus hour. in 1952, the democratic party nominated adlai stevenson. for his running mate, the democrats that year picked john sparkman. alabama senator. a man who
this statute is really the crown jewel of our civil rights laws. voting is such a fundamental right in this country, and we just saw in the last election a concerted effort by many people around the country. >> exactly. >> to deny millions of people of color. people will watch this. >> and be braced for response. kenji, very quickly on perry. people feel very optism about the defense of marriage act being struck down. less so on perry. >> i'm optimistic. i think it's...
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right now we've just seen a softening in tone but we haven't seen a shift in policy. he's been a very soft spoken man. at the press conference today, i asked him if he was willing to engage directly with america and he laughed a little bit and said you're asking me a very tough question. but he made a very revealing sound bite. he said iran and america's relationship is like the wound that hasn't healed yet and we mustn't look back. we must go forward, as long as iran respects -- america respects iran's rights and doesn't meddle in its internal affairs. we haven't really heard that from an iranian president before. he touched on the nuclear issue saying he wants iran to be more transparent on the nuclear issue but ruled out stopping enrichment which is also very telling. we shouldn't be throwing our hands up in the air too early right now. head of the iaea today issued a statement saying that iran was making steady progress in the nuclear issue and sanctions haven't slowed it down. we have to see how much play mr. rowhani has exactly and we mustn't forget he's only th
right now we've just seen a softening in tone but we haven't seen a shift in policy. he's been a very soft spoken man. at the press conference today, i asked him if he was willing to engage directly with america and he laughed a little bit and said you're asking me a very tough question. but he made a very revealing sound bite. he said iran and america's relationship is like the wound that hasn't healed yet and we mustn't look back. we must go forward, as long as iran respects -- america...
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and we should not be giving up our civil rights and civil liberties. there's a way to conduct that surveillance and narrow the provisions of both fisa, the foreign intelligence surveillance act, and even the patriot act so as to preserve those liberties without the sweeping collection of broad and perhaps unlimited kind of vacuum-like sweeping of data that has been described and disclosed most recently. and so i think my colleague mark udall has it right that there is a balance to be struck. a lot of us have been calling for that balance to be struck in ways that are more sensitive to our civil liberties. for example, holding more accountable the fisa court that should be issuing warrants and overseeing this kind of surveillance so that there is some reasonable suspicion or probable cause that would apply in other contexts. and so i believe those opinions, rulings, orders should be disclosed. i've sponsored an amendment back in december when fisa was reauthorized. i'm supporting it again now. greater disclosure, more accountability. the balance has to
and we should not be giving up our civil rights and civil liberties. there's a way to conduct that surveillance and narrow the provisions of both fisa, the foreign intelligence surveillance act, and even the patriot act so as to preserve those liberties without the sweeping collection of broad and perhaps unlimited kind of vacuum-like sweeping of data that has been described and disclosed most recently. and so i think my colleague mark udall has it right that there is a balance to be struck. a...
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men and women who led the civil rights movement. rosa parks, martin luther king, jr., they are true heros. i'm not ready to put edward snowden in that category. for one thing, i don't remember martin luther king, jr. or rosa parks running off and hiding in china. the people that led the civil rights movement were willing to break the law and suffer the consequenc consequences. that's different than putting the nation's security at risk and running away. >> running to china, that's a good point, mike barncle. >> a really good point. >> about the last place to go. >> right. >> concerned about liberty and exposure. >> unless you're in with china on something. >> working with china, yeah. >> that's right. >> you think about really what always strikes me the relevant parallel here is to go back to the pentagon papers and think about ellsberg who stayed and did something he thought was an act of conscience and that's a similar kind of thing. the vietnam war was not illegal, put the pentagon papers out and stayed in the united states and f
men and women who led the civil rights movement. rosa parks, martin luther king, jr., they are true heros. i'm not ready to put edward snowden in that category. for one thing, i don't remember martin luther king, jr. or rosa parks running off and hiding in china. the people that led the civil rights movement were willing to break the law and suffer the consequenc consequences. that's different than putting the nation's security at risk and running away. >> running to china, that's a good...
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brian, we wonder if that's the same style putin is using in the meeting right now with president obama regarding his assertion that blood is on both hands in the civil war in syria. >> well he's never been hesitant busing that kind of language before either in front of cameras or behind closed doors i would imagine. certainly you see president putin has talked about he actually mentioned the fact about the famous cannibal video that we discovered initially. making it seem as if there's simply nothing that can be done. this is a case where any attempted intervention will only increase bloodshed and russia of course having those historic ties to assad, he doesn't want to see that happen, either. >> and you have david cameron also expressing concern over the opposition in who these people are. that ultimately the u.s. has said that these arms are in the pipelines to give them the small weapons needed. >> it's been the major problem for the united states and europe for the last two years. are there moderate rebel groups out there that we can believe in, that won't take the arms and put the
brian, we wonder if that's the same style putin is using in the meeting right now with president obama regarding his assertion that blood is on both hands in the civil war in syria. >> well he's never been hesitant busing that kind of language before either in front of cameras or behind closed doors i would imagine. certainly you see president putin has talked about he actually mentioned the fact about the famous cannibal video that we discovered initially. making it seem as if there's...
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he reversed himself right there. he flagged this up. you know, the truth is people have tried to engage in this debate on the civil liberties side, journalists, even politicians and not many people have shown much interest. >> sam, talking about the fisa courts, the president in the interview with charlie rose that's airing later tonight, says basically -- he talks about the warrants. he says what happens, if the fbi, if it wants to get content, if it wants to start tapping that phone, it's got to go to the fisa court with probable cause and ask for a warrant. now, ed snowden in his online chat with "the guardian," basically says more detail on how direct nsa's access is is coming. deep tease there. but in general the reality is this. "the restrictions against this are policy based, not technically based and can change at any time. additionally, audits are cursory, incomplete, and easily fooled by fake justifications." that is a tit for tat on just how wide the breadth is for warrants. >> this is the big remaining question, at least for
he reversed himself right there. he flagged this up. you know, the truth is people have tried to engage in this debate on the civil liberties side, journalists, even politicians and not many people have shown much interest. >> sam, talking about the fisa courts, the president in the interview with charlie rose that's airing later tonight, says basically -- he talks about the warrants. he says what happens, if the fbi, if it wants to get content, if it wants to start tapping that phone,...
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second, if you really want to compare the obama record on civil liberties and human rights and information security with that of bush, well, fine. this is a negative mark for obama, but remember, george bush was doing this without warrants, totally illegally, and they went to court, john ashcroft's hospital bed, to try to get him to sign off on a patently illegal -- >> warrantless wire taps. >> listening program. >> on the heels of walking us into war and many would agree that one of those wars were on preconditions that turned out not -- the whole atmosphere was completely different. i understand the hypocrisy you talk about and i'm probably guilty of it so i don't want to start a fight here -- >> i'm focusing more on the president than anybody else. >> you know exactly what i'm saying. >> it would be nice for the president -- he's not going to. how is the president doing in the polls? >> not well. >> let's talk about it. overall president obama has lately seen an erosion of his support, particularly among some -- >> i just wanted to change the subject. >> that's why you want to change th
second, if you really want to compare the obama record on civil liberties and human rights and information security with that of bush, well, fine. this is a negative mark for obama, but remember, george bush was doing this without warrants, totally illegally, and they went to court, john ashcroft's hospital bed, to try to get him to sign off on a patently illegal -- >> warrantless wire taps. >> listening program. >> on the heels of walking us into war and many would agree that...